Jboots quest - shadowed rapier

[sunbeam]

Can you check to see if this thing is actually dropping?  It is supposed to drop from Shadowed Men, but I have killed a load of them and it has not dropped.

The bottleneck is supposed to be the ancient cyclops, not this thing.  Since you have no guarantee Hasten is up, I can't imagine this is the way it is supposed to be since the rapier is no rent.

[Osiris]

Jan 21, 2015 19:53:45 GMT -8 sunbeam said:

Can you check to see if this thing is actually dropping?  It is supposed to drop from Shadowed Men, but I have killed a load of them and it has not dropped.

The bottleneck is supposed to be the ancient cyclops, not this thing.  Since you have no guarantee Hasten is up, I can't imagine this is the way it is supposed to be since the rapier is no rent.

what zone were you camping them at...?


***also, just because its a solo server doesn't mean that drop rates have changed at all.

[sunbeam]

Lavastorm, Nektulos, Lesser Faydark, West Commons, Innothule. There are some in South Ro too, but that is a long run.

I cleared each camp about four or five times. There are three to five Shadowed men at each camp. So I killed about ... let's call it 60 shadowed men, though that is a lowball estimate.

I did some reading on Allakhazam. Everyone complains about camping the Ancient Cyclops. The Shadowed Rapier is a trivial part of this quest. The closest I saw to it being described as a bottleneck was that someone had to clear the West Commons camp twice before a rapier dropped.

Okay, according to Tessmage a Shadowed Man has a 4.4% chance of dropping the Rapier. Call it 4% for argument's sake.

On an individual Shadowed Man kill I have a 96% chance of not getting a Rapier. Let's call this .96. Now on my second shadowed man kill I have a similar chance of not getting a Rapier and a 4% chance of getting one. Let's not consider the situation where I get one.

Let's go through the string of shadowed man kills with an assumption of 60.

The world in which I never get one is [.96]**60, or about .08 or an 8% chance of me being in that world.

Now,

1) We have no idea if the drop rate for this thing is the same as live.

Or

2) If it is in the drop table for Shadowed men on this server, and what the percentage is.

I have a 92% chance of there being a problem. Higher actually because the number of shadowed men I killed was more like 80 to 90 than 60.

Although really why am I doing this quest? SOW potions are available, and I always max out run anyway. A lot of work for something that isn't much of an improvement over run 3 (30% vs 35% increase in run speed), or slower than run 5 (if run 5 is available here).

So I am going to clear the camps one more time. If it doesn't drop I am forgetting about it. But from reading the Allakhazam threads, no one had this kind of problem with the rapier. It is mostly Ancient Cyclops and getting Hadden to spawn.

[Osiris]

Jan 22, 2015 5:35:13 GMT -8 sunbeam said:

Lavastorm, Nektulos, Lesser Faydark, West Commons, Innothule. There are some in South Ro too, but that is a long run.

I cleared each camp about four or five times. There are three to five Shadowed men at each camp. So I killed about ... let's call it 60 shadowed men, though that is a lowball estimate.

I did some reading on Allakhazam. Everyone complains about camping the Ancient Cyclops. The Shadowed Rapier is a trivial part of this quest. The closest I saw to it being described as a bottleneck was that someone had to clear the West Commons camp twice before a rapier dropped.

Okay, according to Tessmage a Shadowed Man has a 4.4% chance of dropping the Rapier. Call it 4% for argument's sake.

On an individual Shadowed Man kill I have a 96% chance of not getting a Rapier. Let's call this .96. Now on my second shadowed man kill I have a similar chance of not getting a Rapier and a 4% chance of getting one. Let's not consider the situation where I get one.

Let's go through the string of shadowed man kills with an assumption of 60.

The world in which I never get one is [.96]**60, or about .08 or an 8% chance of me being in that world.

Now,

1) We have no idea if the drop rate for this thing is the same as live.

Or

2) If it is in the drop table for Shadowed men on this server, and what the percentage is.

I have a 92% chance of there being a problem. Higher actually because the number of shadowed men I killed was more like 80 to 90 than 60.

Although really why am I doing this quest? SOW potions are available, and I always max out run anyway. A lot of work for something that isn't much of an improvement over run 3 (30% vs 35% increase in run speed), or slower than run 5 (if run 5 is available here).

So I am going to clear the camps one more time. If it doesn't drop I am forgetting about it. But from reading the Allakhazam threads, no one had this kind of problem with the rapier. It is mostly Ancient Cyclops and getting Hadden to spawn.

You can also camp drelzna in Najena and get the Fabled jboots (as well as regular jboots, sometimes) as well. I'll look at the loot table, but I anticipate the rapiers being in there. Keep in mind, drop rates have not been changed except in a very few instances and those changes were done on a one-tone basis, no mass changes.

[sunbeam]

Okay I did the five camps I mentioned again. No rapier. This one just isn't worth the effort in my opinion. I killed between 15 and 20 Shadowed Men this time, so I'm sure it was the same the other times.

But as I said it won't really matter when Run 3 comes into play.

[songsinger]

It normally takes me about 6-10 clears of lesser fay camp (just pop in when im bored) to get a drop. The rapier is more uncommon than the other weps and defiantly a lower drop rate on PeQ than live. Though not sure about this server in particular

[Osiris]

Feb 21, 2015 11:24:43 GMT -8 songsinger said:

It normally takes me about 6-10 clears of lesser fay camp (just pop in when im bored) to get a drop. The rapier is more uncommon than the other weps and defiantly a lower drop rate on PeQ than live. Though not sure about this server in particular

If the rapier's are uncommon/rare, I can definitely raise the drop rate - I don't want to have a timesink, but at the same time - I dont think its good to make everything easy. I have not made any changes to the drop rate of the rapier, so it is at the PeQ default.

I have always found it just easier to get the jboots from the Drelzna in najena. of course, that is not doing the quest.

[songsinger]

Usually by the time you spend doing the ques tyou can buy the travelers boots or get the drop. Remember the quest was put in after boots no longer dropped.